Regarding Obedience and Authority:
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Hambone: There’s a video [a blogger] posts every Palm Sunday – I think we’ve talked about it before. It’s the French traditionalist congregation literally using a battering ram to remove the cinder-block wall blocking the front door of “their” church. Hundreds are singing “Christus Vincit, Christus Regnat, Christus Imperat” in the background the entire time. It’s hard not to get emotional.
Scoot: Oh Yeah! That video left a profound impression on me.
H: It touches on a vein we struggle with. Where is the line? When is it OK to disobey? (It’s my understanding the bishop had it bricked up)
S: Yeah. It’s a tough question.
H: There was a Papal Bull in the 1500s that essentially says they can’t abrogate or change the Latin Mass. That’s why they just made a new Mass and pretended the old one wasn’t allowed.
S: If I’m a peasant, the local church is my only access to the sacraments, so to be cut off from that is to be cut off from life, right?
H: I imagine there were “Novus Ordo” Churches nearby.
S: The video looked old.
H: 1987
S: Wow. So, I don’t know man, bricking up a church seems like an OK thing to undo, right? Like, if it wasn’t a bishop who ordered it, it’s a no-brainer. Can a bishop lawfully order a parish to close like that? Well–we’re getting away from peasantly considerations.
H: So my understanding is he is a prince of his diocese. They close churches all the time, you know? And the parishioners are devastated.
S: It’s very weird. What happened in the aftermath of the battering ram incident?
H: To be honest, I don’t know. I can’t imagine they were allowed access from then on. The Church probably got sold and turned into condos.
S: What were the priests telling people?
H: The priest was set up to say Mass outside the Church. I think it was grassroots indignation.
S: Because the priests are the immediate Shepherd. If they said “Tear down that wall” then it’s ok for the laity to tear it down–it becomes a conflict between Shepherds (Priest vs. Bishop). But if the Priest said “Listen to the Bishop even though it sucks” then the Laity was wrong.
H: It’s tough–like, was the American revolution “wrong”? Can a person lawfully disobey God given authority? And under what circumstances?
S: I think the American revolution was wrong, to be honest. But since it happened, we are not bound by the sins of our fathers, you know? I think we should take great pains to NOT disobey lawful authority. It’s a kind of martyrdom to obey an unjust edict from a lawful authority. Not immoral, but unjust. Saying “This Church is closed” is a valid act, exercised poorly.
H: So how do I develop my standard? “Hey, cheat on your wife” is an easy order to disobey. But am I supposed to parse hundreds (thousands) of years of Church documents to figure out what is right? How deep into shades of grey do I go, you know?
S: No–you’re supposed to trust in the apostolic succession. Bishop is the representative of the Chair of Peter, not an elected official. The Holy Spirit works in them, through good or ill. You and I are powerless. The things we must disobey will be as obvious as “hey, cheat on your wife”. The things we ought to obey might be hard and might suck but out of obedience to the Church God gave us, I think we have to bow to an unjust prince no matter what we think.
H: So disobeying an order to pinch incense to the point of death is bravery. But so much nowadays it seems like they try to empty the divine of its meaning, rather than trying to get you to abandon it. And allowing the former doesn’t feel brave.
H: It’s a unique sort of punishment.
S: That’s why home worship is equally important to public worship (Mass).
S: Yeah, it’s a poetic kind of justice. We try to empty the divine of meaning and God says “Alright, disobey me? Have fun guys.” And we have to suffer under our own ideas, until we realign with God the way He intends. All of these problems are because we took on the weight of the world. And we are finding it heavy. Give it back to God–we need to do that as a Church. But until then we can only do that as individuals. Home worship, home sacramentals, are sufficient to keep the fire alive, in conjunction with any valid Mass. It might not be bright, but it will be alive.
H: You’re right, there’s just such a predisposition to “be right” or have an image of yourself standing up for the little man or thumbing your nose at “tyrants”.
S: Modernity makes us think the Church is a democracy. But we don’t get a say. And that’s hard, in a democratic world: to be actually powerless. It’s important to get to the point of understanding that.
H: We never did, but coming to terms with it fully is demoralizing–and freeing too.
S: Yes. It’s the true meaning, in my opinion, of “I am dust and to dust I shall return.” Dust can’t vote, or form itself into pottery. Dust settles where it is and it’s on the ones with the power to clean to move the dust where it needs to be. It’s demoralizing insofar as I thought I was capable of more; freeing in that I don’t need to be capable of more.
H: And in most peoples cases, it’s truly just their ego, not their reality. The battering ram is an interesting case because the people involved actually had the power to do something.
S: Yeah. And again–it’s the priests who were responsible for managing the flock. If the shepherd closes the gates to let a field lay fallow, and the sheep ram their way in, it’s the shepherds fault for not controlling the sheep. People are allowed to feel sentimental and affectionate to their parish. The priests are in the awkward position of explaining bad news in a way that calms the parishioners and obeys the bishop. These priests seem to have not done one of those two things to avoid awkwardness.
H: No, you’re right. The only excuse I’ll give was France was and is like, peak awful. But it’s important to realize that for everyone except Joan of Arc they were just sort of expected to live up to their station in life. And those called will be given the tools to “prove” it to those of good faith.
S: Well said. God gives graces to those called to a higher purpose. He gives graces to the rest of us too, but those of us not called to be Joan of Arc just need to worry about being good sheep.
AMDG